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Post by martinc on Aug 14, 2008 15:47:24 GMT
Thats because im brilliant already ;D
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Post by notaclue on Aug 14, 2008 15:50:59 GMT
if you were that good you would have got over 80 on your exam,and would be on the elite panel. ;D i think what is holding you back is your throw like a girl.
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Post by New(ish) Ref on Aug 14, 2008 15:56:59 GMT
Time to quote John Wooden or Earl Weaver me thinks!!! ;D
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Post by sixty4goingonsix...teen on Aug 15, 2008 9:27:36 GMT
As Osric states all officials are different, have different standards. What some officials think is a standard others would think well short. i am not a fan of the elite programme, the word elite should not be used, but it is here and unless the majority vote to kick it out, is here to stay. So if you want to progess them apply...but don't apply if you think the following are ok
turning up to a game in shorts turning up to a game in a t shirt turning up to a game in a baseball cap cleaning your shoes in the changing rooom not cleaning your shoes at all picking the ball up in a side zone and throwing it to the umpire not bothering to write down the chain details at the end of the first and third quarters not listening to advice from other officials getting the hump when you are asked about a call you made. cant be bothered to participate in a pregame giving a time out when someone other than the head coach asks for one running the chains on the correct sideline.....(hello charlie) and loads more
ajob
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Post by Ed Herk on Aug 15, 2008 12:21:23 GMT
turning up to a game in shorts However, doing a game IN shorts is OK if the whole crew do the same and they are approved official's shorts (the key is in the word "Uniform", i.e. all the same)Totally unacceptable, why else do BAFRA produce polo shirts?You're going to be wearing one all game so why have one on before? Also looks unprofessional. Something I must get better at is cleaning my shoes at least the day before the game (guess what I'll be doing tomorrow? ) See above. If you mean by leaving the forward progress spot, I agree. If you mean not getting a fresh ball in from the ball boy, I also agree. It also bugs me that officials don't get a fresh ball in on an incomplete pass, if the ball is downfield - why bring it back to the LOS? Why else do we have two spare balls on the sideline??Inexcusable if its not a first down - can lead to all sorts of trouble. If you don't then you are effectively saying "I know everything I need to know" - the day I stop learning is the day I die! Get over it or make it clear that you have ruled in accordance with what you saw and used your judgement. Rude and suggests that you would rather be somewhere else or that you THINK you know it all (see above). if its a player, then thats fine - the stats guy isn't allowed to call TO though!!! Don't be badgered by home team management to run the chains on the side they want to use. There is a rule for where the chains should be run - follow it. How about: 1. not getting close enough to throw the ball well under arm so it reaches your fellow official 2. not signalling TO 3. LJ not signalling TO and calling out first down yardage 4. Umpires being too quiet - tell that f**king defence to move out of your way!!! 5. Having no idea about reverse mechanics 6. Throwing flags in someone else's area of responsibility 7. Not signalling TD, blowing your whistle or doing anything for several seconds after a player has clearly run into the EZ with the ball (and you haven't thrown a flag on the scoring team) I could go on for ages!!!! Now, someone tell me what I'm doing wrong because I don't want to die yet, there must be still loads for me to learn. ;D Ajob - I miss working with you - your (constructive) grumpiness keeps me smiling!!
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Post by martinc on Aug 15, 2008 12:33:26 GMT
6. Throwing flags in someone else's area of responsibility
There are times when you may have the only view on something so why not throw it, are you saying you have a bad face cage you will ignore it?
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Post by Ed Herk on Aug 16, 2008 11:35:21 GMT
No, I am not saying that, but in one recent game I had a roughing the QB call (which actually involved a face-mask incidentally!) and as well as my flag two other flags came in.
What were those officials not watching by watching what I was?
The QB had just passed the ball - why weren't the umpire and the line judge watching the blocking by the two lines and downfield with their receivers respectively?
Another scenario:
QB scrambles in the backfield, can't find an open receiver and throws a pass out of bounds (he was outside the normal position of the tackle but the ball did not get back to the NZ and there was no eligible receiver in a position to catch the pass).
I get a flag from my Line Judge who should have been way down field covering the receivers. I explain to him after the game that it was my area of responsibility (he also threw the flag where the ball went out of bounds - he couldn't throw it far enough to get the spot of the pass even if he had realised that there is where the flag should have been). He is a new guy so it was a lesson for him.
What I am getting at is some officials are not watching what they should be watching, or in the right positions, and that is due to bad mechanics.
No foul, no matter how bad, warrants three flags - two at most, the other officials should have their concentration elsewhere.
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Post by The Back Judge on Aug 16, 2008 14:50:52 GMT
No, I am not saying that, but in one recent game I had a roughing the QB call (which actually involved a face-mask incidentally!) and as well as my flag two other flags came in. What were those officials not watching by watching what I was? The QB had just passed the ball - why weren't the umpire and the line judge watching the blocking by the two lines and downfield with their receivers respectively? Another scenario: QB scrambles in the backfield, can't find an open receiver and throws a pass out of bounds (he was outside the normal position of the tackle but the ball did not get back to the NZ and there was no eligible receiver in a position to catch the pass). I get a flag from my Line Judge who should have been way down field covering the receivers. I explain to him after the game that it was my area of responsibility (he also threw the flag where the ball went out of bounds - he couldn't throw it far enough to get the spot of the pass even if he had realised that there is where the flag should have been). He is a new guy so it was a lesson for him. What I am getting at is some officials are not watching what they should be watching, or in the right positions, and that is due to bad mechanics. No foul, no matter how bad, warrants three flags - two at most, the other officials should have their concentration elsewhere. And getting this right seems far more important to me than whether an official arrives at a game wearing a baseball cap.
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Post by New(ish) Ref on Aug 16, 2008 19:47:54 GMT
I would debate that point. In my experience, the only people at a game who will typically know about incorrect mechanics are the officials. (Coaches and players certainly don't given the regularity with which I get questioned for missing something completely outside my area of responsibility.) However, the only people who will know that an official turned up in a t-shirt, jeans, trainers and a baseball cap and without having a shave that day is everyone as you don't need to know anything about officiating mechanics or rules to know that. Whether we like it or not, our appearance, both on and off the field, impacts on how we are viewed by those we are officiating, and therefore can impact on how our decisions on the field are viewed. Appearance is all part of what we do as an official. Ask yourself the question "when do you start preparing for a game"? - When you receive the assignment?
- On the morning?
- When you leave home?
- When you arrive at the ground?
- When you leave the changing rooms 20 minutes before kickoff?
If adhering to the dress code in the Members Handbook is not something an official bothers with, I would suggest that there are, at most, only two of these choices they could honestly answer yes to.
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Post by Osric Pureheart on Aug 16, 2008 21:00:40 GMT
What's the issue with a baseball cap? I wear one all the time when I go out for practical reasons: it means I can walk into the sun without being blinded and it keeps the rain off my glasses. They're not forbidden by the handbook, either.
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Post by sixty4goingonsix...teen on Aug 16, 2008 22:04:18 GMT
There is no mention of baseball caps but there used to be. Standards have dropped.....or perhaps its just a few old codgers who think like this.
it used to be trousers not jeans....shoes not trainers.... no baseball cap....shirt and tie.
I think the shirt and tie has even dissapeared from EFAF.
The idea used to be that you gave a good impression from the moment you stepped out of the car.
The introduction of the polo shirt brings some uniformity to Sunday but not if its worn sloppily outside the trousers or has a load of badges pinned on it.
Its all about how you see youself..........or is it?
ajob........just off for my Horlicks
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Post by The Back Judge on Aug 17, 2008 18:10:19 GMT
I would debate that point. In my experience, the only people at a game who will typically know about incorrect mechanics are the officials. (Coaches and players certainly don't given the regularity with which I get questioned for missing something completely outside my area of responsibility.) However, the only people who will know that an official turned up in a t-shirt, jeans, trainers and a baseball cap and without having a shave that day is everyone as you don't need to know anything about officiating mechanics or rules to know that. Whether we like it or not, our appearance, both on and off the field, impacts on how we are viewed by those we are officiating, and therefore can impact on how our decisions on the field are viewed. Appearance is all part of what we do as an official. Ask yourself the question "when do you start preparing for a game"? - When you receive the assignment?
- On the morning?
- When you leave home?
- When you arrive at the ground?
- When you leave the changing rooms 20 minutes before kickoff?
If adhering to the dress code in the Members Handbook is not something an official bothers with, I would suggest that there are, at most, only two of these choices they could honestly answer yes to. Except that whilst t-shirts, trainers and jeans are prohibited according to the BAFRA dress code, baseball caps are not. Whilst individuals may not like such attire they are not on the prohibited list and I do not think it appropriate to introduce personal prejudices. However, people not observing their correct areas as laid down in the Mechanics Manual means that significant areas of the field will be unobserved during a play and I stand by the fact that this is more important than observing a dress code that only exists in the prejudices of certain people. I do, however, agree that proper preparation for a game is important - I just do not see what wearing headgear has to do with that.
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Post by The Ref That's Left on Aug 17, 2008 18:38:19 GMT
Acting as Devil's advocate I have a hat with little hands that clap if I pull a wire. As this is not prohibited by BAFRA dress code I plan to wear it.
Whilst I agree Baseball caps are not outlawed (even Bengals ones) it is all about apperance. What you turn up in will form the first impression that most people form of you.
I always wear a shirt and tie to EFAF games as I believe this is what is required (perhaps not by rule but by the occasion).
I agree with Paul no one can be marked down for wearing a Baseball hat but if you want to appear as professional as you can you will not.
Anyway off to see my Solicitor who wears a suit and a straw hat that says "Kiss me quick...and I'll sue for sexual harrasment. He is rubbish but he makes me laugh.
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Post by New(ish) Ref on Aug 17, 2008 19:01:26 GMT
Acting as Devil's advocate I have a hat with little hands that clap if I pull a wire. As this is not prohibited by BAFRA dress code I plan to wear it. If you do, you will need to match it with these www.partypacks.co.uk/list.asp?urx=cd:ib;dt:FCBCNC; and mismatched socks (one orange and one purple). ;D Whilst I agree Baseball caps are not outlawed (even Bengals ones) it is all about apperance. What you turn up in will form the first impression that most people form of you. I always wear a shirt and tie to EFAF games as I believe this is what is required (perhaps not by rule but by the occasion). I agree with Paul no one can be marked down for wearing a Baseball hat but if you want to appear as professional as you can you will not. Surely the reason there is a dress code at all is down to the prejudices of individuals and how what each of us wears impacts on how we are perceived by others. Otherwise why have one at all? I wear baseball caps. I wear them in the summer to keep the sun off and in the winter (and summer) to keep off the rain, but I would never wear one to go to work, just as, given a choice, I wear a suit for EFAF games and Bowl games (unless specifically ordered not to in order to adhere to some other defined crew standard) because, as Keith states, specific occasions should demand specific standards (in my view). Anyway off to see my Solicitor who wears a suit and a straw hat that says "Kiss me quick...and I'll sue for sexual harrasment. He is rubbish but he makes me laugh. That's no way to talk about Dan!!! (or is this statement libellous) ;D
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Post by withtwoflakes on Aug 19, 2008 1:24:15 GMT
Elite. Perhaps a poor choice of term, but I can't think of anything better,- Premier? 'A' license? Personally Elite makes me think of flying a spaceship, buying and selling stuff (search wikipedia for Elite video game) but then I'm an old git.
Scheduling. As far as I'm concerned Elite was not just about putting an Elite 7-man crew on the top game(s) of the day, although in an ideal world without a severe shortage of officials, it would be. Sadly many scheduling factors (availability, geography, etc.) preclude BAFRA from doing this. A 6 or 7-man crew can learn a lot from working any level of game. Newer additions to the Panel can learn a lot simply by working with the more experienced members on bigger crews. You can read the mechanics manual till you are blue in the face, but there is no substitute for the practical experience - the performance of one or two officials working deep positions on Bowl games in the last few years proves this. Some clearly hadn't even bothered to read the mechanics manual.
Experience. As far as I'm concerned it was not supposed to be the best "x" members of BAFRA. Indeed no specific numbers were forseen. Not all BAFRA members would want to be Elite members since it could involve longer travel to any Elite games, attendance at Elite training days etc.
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