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Post by yorkieref on Sept 25, 2012 21:39:50 GMT
As a Packers shareholder and fan, I was incensed by this call, but once the call is made, it would have taken a lot of courage for a replacement official to call it differently in front of 68,000 Seahawks fans and with Pete Carroll standing right next to him.
Tate was the FJ's key from the LOS and he lost the action by and against him in his haste to get the "big call" of a catch/no-catch correct. BJ seems to be less certain of the call, and the rules on simultaneous possession are clear that you cannot have simultaneous possession once one of the catchers has completed the catch.
This has been talked to death anyway - earlier on Sunday, I was horrified in the Jets / Dolphins game to see an official move away from the GL to the 4 yard line to avoid a QB (Miami) who was diving for the pylon - that is simply basic, even in our mechanics - and could also have cost one team the game.
We know we have a bad game when officials' decisions and actions cost teams games, and we simply hope we never have to experience that. The sad facts is these guys are out of their depth, and compromising the game, the safety of the players and the brand 'NFL'. I would be embarrassed to make some of the calls they make .... BUT, on the pressure cooker of 68,000 hollering fans - I guess you don't know how you'll perform until you have been there.
Perhaps some of our guys who have officiated in front of crowds in excess of a few thousand could enlighten..?
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Post by teevee on Sept 26, 2012 9:51:21 GMT
Mike, I'm not sure the size of the crowd puts you under too much pressure, a crowd of 3 or 4 thousand can be just as hostile as one of 60+ AND I bet you can hear more .. my guess is the real pressure comes from the guys on the sideline who are trying to intimidate you to get you on their side ... it is part of their job, and at the top they are VERY good at it, but right now, with all the furore over replacements, every crew is going to have serious high level pressure on them before they've even stepped on the field. After all now everyone is just WAITING for them to make a mistake ... I think, coming on top of all the other things they are trying to cope with, with no prospect of staying in the NFL (or going anywhere?) when the regular guys return, that would be very hard to handle. As whole crews these guys are 'learning on the job'. At the very top level I doubt that is possible while at the same time doing a GOOD job.
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Post by steve88 on Sept 26, 2012 10:17:11 GMT
This has been talked to death anyway - earlier on Sunday, I was horrified in the Jets / Dolphins game to see an official move away from the GL to the 4 yard line to avoid a QB (Miami) who was diving for the pylon - that is simply basic, even in our mechanics - and could also have cost one team the game. I also had a bit of a rant at the tv about this one. My housemate, who I know from playing football at Uni with him, really didnt seem to care about my point and just looked at me a bit strangely
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Post by Osric Pureheart on Sept 26, 2012 11:29:56 GMT
Tate was the FJ's key from the LOS and he lost the action by and against him in his haste to get the "big call" of a catch/no-catch correct. BJ seems to be less certain of the call, and the rules on simultaneous possession are clear that you cannot have simultaneous possession once one of the catchers has completed the catch. I just want to flag something up. The NFL rule says that you can't have simultaneous possession if control is established by one player and not lost through the process of completing the catch. "Control" comes before possession, so by the NFL rule, as long as Jennings gets two hands on the ball and holds it firm all the way to the ground, Tate can't ever get simultaneous possession; he either has to take it entirely away right at the end, or cause Jennings to lose control before the catch is completed. Also, that sentence is not in the NCAA simultaneous possession rule; so by our rules, it's possible for one player to gain control and never lose it, but the other to get simultaneous possession by sticking his hands in there before the catch is completed. This is a real "be careful" NFL play; there was another one in another game where a player was ruled out of bounds because he'd kicked the pylon, except in the NFL they say that the pylon is neither inbounds nor out, so it only matters where the player eventually hits the ground.
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Post by teevee on Sept 26, 2012 13:44:57 GMT
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Post by Amir on Sept 26, 2012 14:20:09 GMT
The sooner the bigwigs in NFL Towers swallow their pride, the better it'll be for all concerned.
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Post by steve88 on Sept 26, 2012 15:00:38 GMT
there was another one in another game where a player was ruled out of bounds because he'd kicked the pylon, except in the NFL they say that the pylon is neither inbounds nor out, so it only matters where the player eventually hits the ground. Interesting Alan. I guess the only place that has relevance is if the WR got one foot down inbounds, the other kicked the top of the pylon whilst swinging in the air, but then he brought it down to the ground back inbounds. Still in this example, his foot (the second one to come down) was definitely OOB when it first made contact with the floor which was more or less simulataneous with the contact at the base of the pylon, so I really dont know what the calling official saw when he initially ruled him out at the 1.
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Post by johnroberts145 on Sept 26, 2012 16:44:54 GMT
For the benifit of those not friends with me on facebook.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzPBcCF9yKcEnjoy (its safe for work apart from having the song stuck in your head for a while after) John
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Post by Kevin S on Sept 26, 2012 18:28:52 GMT
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Post by bafra31 on Sept 26, 2012 18:37:43 GMT
Under our rules, this wasn't a simultaneous catch. See AR 7-3-6:III. I think Tate touched the ground first, so (provided he had good control of the ball) TD would be the correct call (OPI aside).
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Post by Osric Pureheart on Sept 26, 2012 20:34:02 GMT
Interesting Alan. I guess the only place that has relevance is if the WR got one foot down inbounds, the other kicked the top of the pylon whilst swinging in the air, but then he brought it down to the ground back inbounds. Imagine a player diving for the pylon, except instead of extending the ball, he leads with an empty forearm and keeps the ball tucked, with his forearm hitting the pylon first. For us it's OOB and the ball ends up about tail on the 1, for them that could be a touchdown. There's a few of these slightly-weird-but-not-completely-impossible permutations I can think of where it might be relevant. (Except not, because we have it the simple way.)
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Post by oglog1 on Sept 27, 2012 6:22:14 GMT
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Post by teevee on Sept 27, 2012 6:30:03 GMT
Dunno about that ... might be that someone saw Keith in Texas .... ;D
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Post by steve88 on Sept 27, 2012 9:17:43 GMT
Interesting Alan. I guess the only place that has relevance is if the WR got one foot down inbounds, the other kicked the top of the pylon whilst swinging in the air, but then he brought it down to the ground back inbounds. Imagine a player diving for the pylon, except instead of extending the ball, he leads with an empty forearm and keeps the ball tucked, with his forearm hitting the pylon first. For us it's OOB and the ball ends up about tail on the 1, for them that could be a touchdown. There's a few of these slightly-weird-but-not-completely-impossible permutations I can think of where it might be relevant. (Except not, because we have it the simple way.) Good example.
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Post by withtwoflakes on Sept 27, 2012 12:44:33 GMT
South Park's take on it...
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